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Um...hi. [29 Apr 2008|12:12pm]

I really haven't been watching this group that closely. I checked on it today almost expecting to find a bunch of spam. I haven't been that interested in posting about Quinn, or Leaver stuff, or what have you, in a long time, so I wondered if there was actually a community here at all.

I just want to thank paganbear for giving us some semblance of activity in the last half year. The Lakota secession especially interests me.
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[11 Nov 2007|09:47pm]

I hadn't heard of this before:
Wind-powered seawater desalination
Sounds like the breakthrough is doing it mechanically, without converting power to electricity. Well, yeah.
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beyond civilization [05 Sep 2007|11:02pm]

[ mood | hopeful ]

Monday afternoon, my family watched 'What a Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire' (it is highly recommended by Daniel Quinn, who appears in it several times). Like most documentaries in it's genre, it assumes the watchers are not quite awake yet, and uses scare tactics to make it's points, and by the end I felt battered and terrified and sick. We stopped half-way through to check-in, and I was nearly hysterical and almost suicidal and totally hopeless and cried so hard I couldn't breathe.

Hang in there, it gets better.

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[29 May 2007|02:46pm]

The direness of threats to honeybee populations may be exaggerated.
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Bees are vanishing [05 Mar 2007|04:08am]

But people from all demographic groups across the country are facing a much more frightening real-life situation: the disappearance of millions of bees. This winter, in more than 20 states, beekeepers have noticed that their honeybees have mysteriously vanished, leaving behind no clues as to their whereabouts. There are no tell-tale dead bodies either inside colonies or out in front of hives, where bees typically deposit corpses of dead nestmates.

What’s more, the afflicted colonies tend to be full of honey, pollen and larvae, as if all of the workers in the nest precipitously decamped on some prearranged signal. Beekeepers are up in arms — last month, leaders in the business met with research scientists and government officials in Florida to figure out why the bees are disappearing and how to stop the losses. Nobody had any answers.

Honeybees are the major commercial pollinator for, well, whatever you eat that isn't wind-pollinated (pretty much anything from any plant that's not a grass) in the US. Even some cattle feed is bee-pollinated. The populations were already under pressure from parasites, disease, & pesticide pollution.

This is, no joke, a threat to the survival of our food supply. If this becomes a new trend, on top of the overfishing of the oceans, we're screwed. "End of civilization looms, join a Cthulhu cult," screwed.

I'm through being nice to you people. Let me be perfectly blunt. Daniel Quinn never, in the Ishmael/B books, offered any solutions (except for that fuzzy romantic "tribalism" crap). He was just trying to get you to see outside the comforting lies of conventional wisdom. But in the end, when he started saying, "We're in the hands of the gods," (Which book was that? Providence?) he let apathy sneak back in. We don't need nihilism, or a peaceful embrace of our own irrelevance. We need to be willing to fight for the future of our planet.

And what or whom do we need to fight? Our fellow human beings, partly; those who oppose consercation. But also the threat of so much beauty being destroyed through our ignorance & laziness. I'm pretty ignorant & lazy myself. But we need to be ... we need to be like Dmitri Bilenkin characters, who see the pain & difficulty of the world, & work to fix things because we have no other moral option.
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[16 Feb 2007|01:29pm]

Mysterious cancer is killing Tasmanian devils.
This is one place I really part company with Daniel Quinn. He speaks of human beings living as harmlessly on the earth as serpents, but you know, we're not & we can't. But there is a good side to this as well as a bad side. We can see the damage done, & take steps to stop it. We can be earth's caretakers, not just another beast.
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Religion? [07 Sep 2006|01:06pm]

I am an Anthropology/Religion major and for one of my courses my Prof wants us to find websites concerning religion or of a religious nature. Some of you may disagree, but I think that a sort of religion has created itself around Daniel Quinn's books, the "followers" have a name (B) and they definitely share a common way of looking at the world. I was wondering if anyone had some particularly helpful websites (aside from ishmael.com) that are particularly useful in illustrating this. Any help would be hugely appreciated.

X-posted to anotherway
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Tiny houses on CBS news [21 Jul 2006|07:44pm]

CBS article and video for those who missed this when it aired (as I did).

"People generally don’t think I’m crazy anymore. Whether I am or not, they generally don’t say so." Jay Shafer, founder, Tumbleweed Tiny House Company.

x-posted to _nuffism, after_b, anotherway, living_lightly, microliving, off_grid, peakoil_prep, and primitiveliving
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[19 Jul 2006|04:55pm]


Top Predators Key to Ecosystem Survival, Study Shows

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[14 Jul 2006|10:26pm]

I found both of these articles interesting:

Uproar in Peru over Transgenic drug

Bug Eating in Mexico
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Tribes and Society problems [13 Jul 2006|08:02pm]
Hi. I just joined. I'm 18 years old nerd getting ready to begin my freshman year at college this fall. When someone suggested that I read a little about Daniel Quinn and read his books, I went to Ishmael.com and read as much of his essays/speeches as possible. I haven't finished reading his entire site yet! I was thrilled with the reading, with the thoughts he provoked in me.  I intend to get my hands on some of his books, as well.  I have devoted quite a few entries in my journal to talking about thoughts and ideas he provoked in me.

I decided to crosspost and see if I can get any positive debate about my thoughts.

Originally posted on my journal
Also x posted at anotherway


I was reading Q&A's at Ishmael.com.  I will probably be spending the next two weeks to a month reading all I can on Daniel Quinn's ideas, theories, formulations, speeches, essays, and books.  Then I will probably move on, but I will move on with a changed perspective, changed mind, and remember always that he succeeded in doing so to me.  I may go back to his work every now and then afterwards, because that is what he did to me.

After reading a few Q&A's and a few things Daniel Quinn said, I get the feeling that people flock to him for help, thinking that he will give them specific guidelines because he got this far in figuring out what we can do.  They all cry out, "What can we do now? What can we do next?"

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Zero Growth [12 Jul 2006|12:44pm]

I am excited to read about the parents in this group. Almost every Ishmael group I have joined on-line or in person has been peopled with child-free individuals.
I believe that the challenges are different for parents. I'm curious to know if others feel the same.

I was introduced to Ishmael by my brother in 1996, when my first child was six months old. By the time my second was born, in 2002 my brother was deeply involved in zerogrowth. He and his wife made the permanent decision to not have children. They started referring to all people with children as breeders. He told me that mindless breeding is bad enough but it's even worse for those that *know better.* Implying that I should know better since I read Ishmael. In effect he has put me in a position to justify my children, as well as suggested that I am less responsible and more damaging by having them.

More recently he has said, "Should the slave thank his mother, also a slave, for bringing him into a world of endless labor?" in regards to our parents, but I can't help but transfer that condemnation unto myself. I haven't responded to this yet.

To a large degree child-free individuals have more liberty to live in a different way, more opportunity to make drastic life changes, and less obligation to stay withing the legal limits and social confines of this system. IMO

Any thoughts on parenting?
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Gobsmacked [27 Jun 2006|07:42pm]

I cannot adequately express my utter joy and profound respect for the writings of Daniel Quinn. Yes he is controversial (I seldom adore anyone who isn't - lol), and the link I just provided doesn't give the most glowing biography. Nevertheless, I am truly gobsmacked by his ideas.

For the rest of my life, every book, tv show, documentary, advertisement, myth, or feature film I read or see will be divided into BQ and AQ - before I read Quinn, and after I read Quinn. I feel like the context of all of my "cultural experiences" have been firmly grasped and given a sharp turn. My trajectory is forever altered.

My god, he's taken me BEYOND Buddhism. I don't actually even consider myself a Buddhist, but in general I've found that overall approach to "how we should live" to be ultimate or best or truest articulation of it thus far seen upon this planet.

But now, suddenly, I see a fundamental flaw in Siddhartha's perception of suffering. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say I can see the "filter" through which he experienced his world. It is not anything that invalidates all of his teachings, by any means - I'm not throwing out the proverbial baby Buddha with the bathwater! But it gives me an insight into something I'd never thought of before, which is always exciting.

I'm far too tired to try to articulate this here, now. And if you are not familiar with Quinn's books, I'm not even sure I could explain it - certainly not with anything remotely resembling brevity, anyway. I really just wanted to share the joy of having a new idea to play with.

Everything old is new again!
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Just a whole buncha stuff... [15 Jun 2006|03:40pm]

Having just heard of it, I rented Instinct and watched it. Then I went into the bathroom and wept bitterly for twenty minutes or so.

Those of you who have seen this film know that the script was merely "suggested" by the book Ishmael, and merely hints at the larger concepts contained therein. Instead of a gorilla, this great wisdom is imparted by a feral primatologist who "went native."

And hey - two questions about the end of the movie. After escaping the prison, does the good doctor go back to Africa, and the jungle? And if so, how the hell does he manage that with no money or papers?
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Almost through, feeling depressed :( [14 Jun 2006|01:17am]

[ mood | lost ]

I just started reading Daniel Quinn's Ishmael  today, and I'm nearly finished. I have so many thoughts trampling around my head...

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Just started reading Ishmael [13 Jun 2006|06:51pm]

[ mood | processing ]

So I just began reading Ishmael, and I'm very much reminded of Richard Bach, Robert M. Pirsig, and Paulo Cohelo.

In a good way. ;) But even more profound.

I wish my seven-yeard-old could read this book and understand it. He asks so many questions, and I want to always tell him the Truth, but sometimes I'm afraid of what might happen to him if I do.

Some folks can only take so much Truth at a time...I must be one of them, because my head feels a bit swimmy - even though every word I read seems not so much as a revelation, but as a reminder of something I've always known, but forgotten, as though in another life...collective unconscious de ja vu, sort of. Call it what you will.

Sorry if I'm not making sense. Sometimes it's like that. ;) Got a lot in my head right now.

Well, back to it...

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[21 May 2006|09:55am]

As a daily exercise, my boyfriend and I are reading Ishmael together chapter by chapter.  This book really gets me charged up.  In this way, I can introduce him to the fundamental ideas Quinn set forth with him, insteading of just loaning him the book. This will be my forth time going through the book.

I recently purchased a hardback edition from the 1992 edition, so I could have a more durable edition.  My paperback is looking kinda ratty.
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[02 May 2006|10:31am]

Copied 'cos it won't stay up on Yahoo:

16,000 Species Said to Face ExtinctionCollapse )

On the Net: http://www.iucnredlist.org

[x-posted foolsguinea, anotherway, environment]
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[22 Mar 2006|04:56pm]

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Too little clean water, or too much (industrial, agricultural, personal) water usage? Those who cannot think of human population numbers as out of balance with the resources of the biosphere will try to answer this question with a false premise.
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education [05 Mar 2006|09:54am]

Article on high school dropouts:


Here's a quote:
"There wasn't any learning going on," another (student) complained. "They make you take classes in school that you're never going to use in life."

To those who have read My Ishmael...does this sound familiar? :-P

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